BIG PAPI on STEROID LIST!!

7/30/2009 12:29:24 PM
dcsportfan10
7/30/2009 12:29:24 PM Report Abuse

espn released that he was on the 2003 steroid list, they also said manny was on there too.

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dcsportfan10
7/30/2009 12:32:36 PM Report Abuse
@dcsportfan10

i forgot to add that i am surprised, i always thought that david ortiz had a naturally big stature. is body did not have the changes that barry bonds, arod, or manny ramirez had. if you look at those three players at the beginning of there careers they are no where near as jacked as they are today, especially barry bonds.

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pbuckley
7/30/2009 1:12:08 PM Report Abuse
@dcsportfan10

totally not surprised - bummed, but not surprised.  I would imagine Nixon, Varitek, Garciaparra and a couple others were on it as well.

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gowizards2424
7/30/2009 2:02:24 PM Report Abuse
@pbuckley

you're a donk if you're surprised by this. it was only a matter of time before big papi was on a steroid list. disappointing, but not surprising.

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mcnairfrk
7/30/2009 2:18:50 PM Report Abuse
@gowizards2424

I was really, really, hoping to avoid this. It's too bad, i mean it's not shocking but still it's a let down

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UnitedSkins
7/30/2009 2:23:04 PM Report Abuse
@mcnairfrk

Not surprised, don't care.

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FrankCurry
7/30/2009 2:51:07 PM Report Abuse
@UnitedSkins

NY Times article on Manny and Papi

http://earlme.com/YcE4

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FrankCurry
7/30/2009 2:55:14 PM Report Abuse
@FrankCurry

At this point, anyone testing positive for roids is not a surprise.  It is just an ugly facet of the game that spans a generation of ballplayers.  It has tainted the game, but at this point there is nothing that can be done about.  I would just love for one player to come clean and say, "hey, they weren't against the rules of the game, everyone was doing it.  I wanted to be able to compete and earn a big paycheck.  Sorry but I did steroids.  I knew what the steroids did and what they were.  I was just trying to be the best."  These bs apologies and denials are annoying and insulting to the fans.

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dcsportfan10
7/30/2009 3:01:40 PM Report Abuse
@FrankCurry

im surprised only because big papi is just big, he does not look muscular like other guys, its almost like he took steroids and did not work out.

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pbuckley
7/30/2009 3:09:28 PM Report Abuse
@dcsportfan10

look at his home run totals when he was with Minnesota and then in his first 5 years with the Sox - that is not a natural progression.

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MIlitaryRD
7/30/2009 3:27:29 PM Report Abuse
@pbuckley

David Ortiz Didn't keep his mouth shut at the beginning of the season when A-Rod's thing came out. Said how horrible of a person he was, how he should be kicked out of the game. David ortiz is not big papi. Hes a Fool and a loser. He doesn't even play baseball. You can get ANYONE big and strong enough, throw them on roids with a good eye and have them HIT the ball. He doesn't field, he's overweight. On Roids, and Worthless. i can't tell you how happy I am that this came out. He deserves more ridicule than anyone.

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dcsportfan10
7/30/2009 3:29:47 PM Report Abuse
@pbuckley

lol your right. he probably stopped between the 07-08 seasons.

CAREER STATS

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geagles1234
7/30/2009 3:40:43 PM Report Abuse
@dcsportfan10

"David Ortiz Didn't keep his mouth shut at the beginning of the season when A-Rod's thing came out. Said how horrible of a person he was, how he should be kicked out of the game. David ortiz is not big papi. Hes a Fool and a loser. He doesn't even play baseball. You can get ANYONE big and strong enough, throw them on roids with a good eye and have them HIT the ball. He doesn't field, he's overweight. On Roids, and Worthless. i can't tell you how happy I am that this came out. He deserves more ridicule than anyone."

I agree with what you said RD. Ortiz lashed out at A-rod saying that he was a coward, and he deserves to be thrown out of the game. Now, the media releases a report stating that Ortiz was on the steroid list in 2003. If I were big papi, I should be ashamed of what he said, and apologize to a-rod. I'm a red sox fan. I have always respected a-rod because he performs every day, and he has proven critics that he belongs in the game. Big Papi has been injured, and has gained weight because of this mess he's in. I'm not surprised at all, but disappointed. Manny, on the other hand, is an idiot. 

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watup19
7/30/2009 4:28:20 PM Report Abuse
@geagles1234

Im no longer suprised when any big name people are named. I mean at the time it was not illegal, so if you were not doing it, you would have been left behind by everyone else.

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pbuckley
7/30/2009 5:15:24 PM Report Abuse
@watup19

RD - can you cite those quotes from Ortiz?  He has always been a big supporter of Arod - since they are fellow Dominicans.  I know he spoke out against steroid users in general, which is now going to bite him onthe butt big time, but I don't remember him specifically calling Arod a coward or any other such name.  Normally he has been one of ARod's biggest defenders.  So please show me the quotes of which you speak.

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geagles1234
7/30/2009 5:17:40 PM Report Abuse
@pbuckley

He did lash out at him. It was on the sports ticker when I saw it a few days after the news went out. I don't know the link. But, I remember him saying bad things about a-rod. 

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apman39
7/30/2009 5:56:15 PM Report Abuse
@geagles1234

Wow I did not realize before how drastically Ortiz's numbers improved.  Such a cheater...

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dcsportfan10
7/30/2009 7:20:14 PM Report Abuse
@apman39

big papi is officially big sloppy, how could you look like that on steroids.

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BRonEAdams
7/30/2009 7:33:01 PM Report Abuse
@apman39

my only question is this: if manny and papi tested positive in 2003, why are we just hearing about it now?

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ochoops
7/30/2009 7:50:29 PM Report Abuse
@BRonEAdams

its more names bein linked from that mitchell report list

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ochoops
7/30/2009 7:50:58 PM Report Abuse
@ochoops

*leaked

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pbuckley
7/30/2009 8:26:44 PM Report Abuse
@ochoops

this isn't the mitchell report - this was an investigation done by mlb back in 2003 in which they told the players that the results would remain anonymous - oops

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apman39
7/30/2009 8:38:24 PM Report Abuse
@pbuckley

The list was supposed to give an estimate to how many players in the MLB were using performance enhancing drugs.

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geagles1234
7/30/2009 11:58:41 PM Report Abuse
@apman39

There were 100 MLB players tested and A-rod, bonds, giambi, ramirez, Ortiz, Segui, and Grimsley were all on that list. This is a sad day for baseball, but I'm not surprised that both of these elite hitters were caught. 

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dcsportfan10
7/31/2009 12:32:47 AM Report Abuse
@geagles1234

right^, but the saddest day would be if albert pujols was in the report.

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MIlitaryRD
7/31/2009 12:56:50 AM Report Abuse
@dcsportfan10

hes next pujols has been on roids since he started. and dont think he hasnt been.

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dcsportfan10
7/31/2009 7:09:00 AM Report Abuse
@MIlitaryRD

well he must have been doing them the first day of minor leagues or in college because he has been hitting thirty home runs per season since his rookie year... but if you look up his workout routine i would not be surprised if he wasnt on steroids, he works out twice a day in the off season that his trainer would call similar to a body building workout, without the roids.

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baseball18
7/31/2009 7:58:02 AM Report Abuse
@dcsportfan10

red sox fans can go ahead and come back to earth now, your best players were doing it the same as everyone else.  it made me sick listening to "the nation" on their high horses after not having anyone on the mitchell report.  give me a break.  also what does this say about the former part owner of the sox's major report that happened to leave any boston players off the list.  coincidence? 

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pbuckley
7/31/2009 11:10:31 AM Report Abuse
@baseball18

Any Sox fan, myself included, who may have thought that no Sox were on steroids is an idiot. I was not so delusional, but it is still a somewhat bitter pill to swallow.  It would be interesting to look back at the World Series winners from the past 20 years and see if you can find a team that didn't have at least a couple players on steroids.

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UnitedSkins
7/31/2009 11:20:19 AM Report Abuse
@pbuckley

dcsportsfan, have you ever looked up Barry Bonds' workout routine? It was insane, it doesn't change the fact that people don't get THAT big that quickly. I really want Pujols' name to come out in some sort of investigation, because maybe then people will open their eyes to the absurd percentage of baseball players using steroids and instead of making all of those big superstars out to be martyrs, people will realize that there is actually a level playing field now, it's just a different sort of level playing field.

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dcsportfan10
7/31/2009 3:09:50 PM Report Abuse
@UnitedSkins

well have you heard of barry bonds hat size growing?? or albert pujols name coming anywhere near close to any investigation? everyone is not on roids. albert pujols has consistently hit the same around of home runs his entire career, with some extra home runs in a season here and there. he did not start out hitting 5, 9,8, then 25, 40, 54, 72 home runs in a season like bonds or david ortiz. albert pujols did not put on 100 pounds of muscle over night like other guys so i dont understand your logic on that.

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UnitedSkins
8/1/2009 10:05:59 AM Report Abuse
@dcsportfan10

Bonds hit less than 20 home runs three times in his career, and one of those times was when he was a 21 year old rookie, and another was when he was injured and only played in 14 games. And some evidence to back up Pujols' steroid use? Common sense. You don't just hit 37 home runs as a 21 year old rookie. He had the body of a thirty year old at 21. To clarify, Pujols isn't one of these athletic freaks you hear about. Athletic freaks are fast. Pujols is just strong. You don't just naturally build the body he had when he came into the league by the age of 21. I'm not trying to make him out to be a bad guy, I'm just saying that he's like everyone else.

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dcsportfan10
8/1/2009 9:49:55 PM Report Abuse
@UnitedSkins

"I'm just saying that he's like everyone else."

which would make him a bad guy, and how can you say that he's like anyone else when he has not even been rumored to be connected to any type of steroids, even hgh when it was legal.. that is really just stupid.

im not saying bonds was not naturally a home run hitter, im saying natural home run hitters dont hit 40 homers and then jump to 73 homers in one season. 

dont you think if pujols was taking steroids that early that his name would have came up by now?? all of the big names have come up (bonds, rodriguez, manny, david ortiz, palmero, sheffield,miguel tejada,sammy sosa, pudge rodriguez, troy glaus, mike piazza,jason giambi, countless pitchers) and pujols is not one of them.


http://earlme.com/jnje

 

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UnitedSkins
8/2/2009 10:03:48 AM Report Abuse
@dcsportfan10

No, being like everyone else doesn't make him a bad guy. It just means that he did what he had to do to ensure a level playing field. Think about it like this. There have been countless interviews from baseball players about how much of a joke baseball's drug testing is. A number of people have basically said. that it's about as easy to get around as that class in college that has 500 other people in it. Manny and Papi's names weren't included in any steroid reports before this came out either. Neither had A-Rod, and everyone gave me crap for saying that he was on juice, but who ended up being right? Clemens was the same story. This steroid investigation is the biggest load of crap in the world of sports right now. Seriously, everyone loves watching home runs sail out of ballparks. That's why people watch baseball. If the person leading the majors in Home Runs at the end of every season had like 30, then people would be saying "Baseball's boring. I just can't follow it, I don't have that kind of attention span. There's thirty seconds between pitches and most of the time nothing happens."

Even if you are naive enough to think that the great home run hitters of the day didn't hit those home runs against pitchers who were also on steroids, pitchers have a ridiculously unfair advantage now in comparison to older times because they have countless hours of film to watch on every hitter in the league. And seriously, I'm just tired of hearing about every big star whose name gets connected to steroids. More than anything, I'm tired of how people act surprised after all the names that have come out.

Anyway, in closing, just because someone's your favorite player doesn't mean that they're "above" steroid usage unlike the rest of the stars in the league.

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